Wednesday, June 10, 2015

When the present experience of birth, life, death and the world itself is an illusion then the rebirth, reincarnation is bound to be an illusion. +



If you are caught up with the idea of reincarnation and rebirth as real then you are not qualified for Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana

The birth, life, and death happen within the dualistic illusion. Remember: the world itself is a dualistic illusion.    When the present experience of birth, life, death, and the world itself is an illusion then rebirth, and reincarnation are bound to be an illusion.  

You are limited to the form, time and space. You are not the Self because you are bound by birth, life, death, and the world whereas the Soul, the innermost Self is limitless because it is formless, timeless and spaceless existence.  Till you think ‘I’ as the Self the Soul will remain in the cage of the dualistic illusion. The Soul, the innermost ‘Self ‘is the fullness of the consciousness without the division of the form, time and space.

The Self is birthless therefore it is deathless. The one which is born lives and dies within the world (waking) is not the Self.  The idea of reincarnation is based on the birth entity (waking entity or ego) which lives and dies within the illusory world (waking).   The Self is the one that witnesses the coming and going of the dual (waking or dream) nondual (deep sleep) experiences. When the experience of birth, life, and death takes place in the illusion, then recantation also is part of the same illusion.

The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place. Similarly, the waking becomes unreal when wisdom dawns. Wisdom dawns when the Soul, the Self, consciously remains awake in its formless nondual nature.  When the substance and the witness of the three states are one in essence and that essence is consciousness. Then what value is there for the universe in, which the experience of birth, life death and reincarnation happens. 

Even you take reincarnation as reality, but the reincarnation happens within the world, which is an illusion, from the standpoint of the Soul, the Self.  

H. H. Dalai Lama said: ~  Buddhism need not be the best religion though it is the most scientific and religion and inquisitive. But Buddhism has no answer to certain questions like the existence of Atama (Soul) and rebirth.   Dali Lama said that as an individual he believes in rebirth as he had come across a few cases of rebirth.  Modern science, Dalai Lama hoped would unearth the mystery behind the rebirth. (In DH –dec-212009-Gulbarga)

People who are caught up with the idea of reincarnation and rebirth theories are not qualified for Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana because they accepted the duality as reality

People who believe in reincarnation and rebirth theories are unaware of the fact that their belief is based on the waking entity, which is the false self within the false experience. The waking entity itself is a false self within the false experience, it means the present experience of birth, life, death, and the world is a falsehood.  

Thus, whatever is seen, known, believed and experienced as a waking entity is bound to be falsehood because the Soul or consciousness the innermost Self is birthless because it is formless. Therefore,  the rebirth and reincarnation theory based on the false Self is bound to be a falsehood. 

Accepting in rebirth and reincarnation theory as reality is accepting the false self (waking entity or ego) as the real Self and false experience (waking) as reality. Self-realization is impossible  if one accepts the present waking entity as the real Self because the Self is neither the waking entity nor the Self is dream entity,  but the Self is formless Soul witnesses  the coming and going  of the  three states without the physical apparatus

The three states are impermanent, but the Soul or consciousness, which is the witness of the three states, is permanent and eternal.  In reality, the three states are one in essence. And that essence is consciousness. Therefore,  there is no second thing, that exists other than consciousness.  Thus, the consciousness (Soul) is second to none.

Deeper Self-search reveals the fact that the waking experience itself is an illusion. It means the present experience of birth, life, death, and the world is an illusion. Thus, the reincarnation theory based on the false self within the false experience is bound to be a  falsehood. When the waking entity is not the Self than whatever theories are based on the waking entity imagined theory. 

 This imagined theory based on the waking entity or ego is for those lower mindset who are incapable of grasping the ultimate truth or Brahman.

People who are caught up with the idea of reincarnation and rebirth theories are not qualified for Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana because they accepted the duality as reality. Birth implies duality.  And the duality is falsehood from the ultimate standpoint.
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From The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi

Edited by David Godman


Question:~ :- is reincarnation true?

Sage Sri, Ramana Maharishi:~  - Reincarnation exists only so long as there is ignorance. There is really no reincarnation at all, either now or before. Nor will there be any hereafter. This is the truth.

[Note: Comments by David Godman: Most religions have constructed elaborate theories that purport to explain what happens to the individual Soul after the death of the body. Some claim that the Soul goes to heaven or hell while others claim that it is reincarnated in a new body.

Sri Ramana Maharishi taught that all such theories are based on the false assumption that the individual Self or Soul is real; once this illusion is seen through, the whole superstructure of afterlife theories collapses. From the standpoint of the Self, there is no birth or death, no heaven or hell, and no reincarnation.

As a concession to those who were unable to assimilate the implications of this truth, Sri Ramana would sometimes admit that reincarnation existed. In replying to such people he would say that if one imagined that the individual 'Self 'was real, then that imaginary Self would persist after death and that eventually, it would identify with a new body and a new life. The whole process, he said, is sustained by the tendency of the mind to identify itself with a body. Once the limiting illusion of mind is transcended, identification with the body ceases, and all theories about death and reincarnation are found to be inapplicable.]:~Santthosh Kumaar 

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