There is no comparison of any other wisdom with Sage Sankara’s wisdom.+

Sage Goudpada: ~ To establish the truth of Non-duality by sheer reasoning alone. He begins by defining "What is real?" "What is unreal?" etc, because that is the right way to discuss or teach. People must first know what they are talking about. (Mandukya Karika)

There is no comparison of anyone's wisdom with Sage Sankara’s wisdom. Without Sage Sankara there is no Advaita. All the Gurus and intellectual version of Advaita is on the dualistic perspective.

Many Gurus describes to perfection is the awakening to Reality ~the realization that pure Consciousness alone is, that the perpetually fluctuating and evanescent contents of the mind derive from it. This awakening effectively happens in an instant. But in order for the lightning flash to take place, resulting in a firm and unshakable certitude, long labor is necessary, which they seem to underestimate. “Truth is formless is their answer.

 Many Gurus' teaching seems essentially negative, potent but bitter medicine for those imprisoned by institutional cults. They break the disciple's bonds but then lead him to a vast desert where they abandon him.

The ultimate state of consciousness they describe is that of the traditional sage or fully enlightened being, but they do not show us the process leading to the realization of this state. They describe marvelously the goal but do not indicate the steps to be taken: their recurring phrases "unified consciousness" and "let go" and "'love alone" are not a roadmap.

Most of the Gurus and Yogis s approach was more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the 'I', they take it as real. All their teachings of Advaita are based on the dualistic perspective. Such teaching will not yield the truth of the whole.

Everyone is not on the same level of understanding. Everyone’s inner work is on. You will slowly steadily but surely be able to understand, assimilate and realize nondualistic or Advaitic truth if you have an intense urge to know the ultimate truth. Because man is egocentric he feels the world in which he is born, lives, and dies is a reality. But when he becomes Soulcentric he realizes his body, his ego and the world in which he exists is merely an illusion created out of the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.   : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Religious orthodox person will not be able to get Advaitic Gnana, because, he has not taken the first step to know 'what God supposed to be in actuality. +

A Gnani is not a religious person. The religious person is not qualified to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana because the religion is based on faith, not the truth. Religion propagates ignorance, not truth.

How religious man can get Gnana? He has not taken the first step to know 'what God is supposed to be in actuality'.  He believes in heaven and hell as if he has personally been there on a conducted tour.

Religious man blindly prays without even knowing what God is supposed to be according to his own scriptures.

Know God in truth

Religious Gods are based on blind faith or blind belief. Belief-based Gods are not God in truth.  Religious God cannot be considered as the center because the Soul the ‘Self’ is the center of all that exists. 

Without the Soul the world in which you exist ceases to exist, which means the religious God is dependent on the Soul for his existence. God in truth is only the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Even The Bhagavad Gita says: ~ Brahmano hi pratisthaham ~ Brahman (God) is considered the all-pervading consciousness, which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (14.27).

When Bhagavad Gita says, God is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material then nothing has to be accepted as God other than consciousness. 

Even Brihadaranyaka Upanishad: ~ Brahman (God) is in the form of the Athma, and it is indeed Athma itself.

Even Rig Veda: ~ The Atman is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Atman, the Self. May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?" (10:48, 5)

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad:~"He who worships the deities as entities entirely separate from him does not know the truth. For the Gods, he is like a pasu (beast)". (1. 4. 10)

 The religious man prays -- to the mythical Gods of his belief.  Mythical Gods are not God in truth.   There is a tremendous difference between prayer and Gnana.

Swami Vivekananda: ~ “The masses in India cry to sixty million Gods, and still die like dogs. Where are these Gods?

 Knowing this, stand up and fight! Not one step back that is the idea. ... Fight it out, whatever comes. Let the stars move from the sphere! Let the whole world stand against us! Death means only a change of garment. What of it? Thus fight! You gain nothing by becoming cowards. ... Taking a step backward, you do not avoid any misfortune. You have cried to all the Gods in the world. Has misery ceased? The masses in India cry to sixty million Gods and still die like dogs. Where are these Gods? ... The Gods come to help you when you have succeeded. So what is the use? Die game. ... This bending the knee to superstitions, this selling yourself to your own mind does not befit you, my Soul. You are infinite, deathless, birthless. Because you are the infinite spirit, it does not befit you to be a slave. ... Arise! Awake! Stand up and fight! Die if you must. There is none to help you. You are the entire world. Who can help you? - Swami Vivekananda  (Delivered In San Francisco, on May 28, 1900) -The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda/Volume 1/Lectures And Discourses/The Gita II

Prayer is directed towards a mythological God, fiction. Prayer is always directed outward. Gnana is an inward journey, not to some fiction but the reality hidden by ignorance. Enlightenment happens when the Soul, the 'Self' wakes up from its sleep of ignorance.

Religious people are busy praying and worshipping to a God of their belief, thinking God is somewhere, up there, monitoring every act of the people, guiding the lost, and uplifting the poor. God is the one who punishes the evil and rewards the benevolent.

Some people even claim of seeing them in stone idols or some conceptual belief, in inanimate or living things. Is it our faith that makes us believe that there is some supreme power above us or is it a reality, can never be answered?  Until this conviction is there one is in the grip of the dualistic illusion (I). The dualistic illusion keeps one in the ignorance of the Self.  Therefore, there is a need to realize the fact that, the Self is not ‘I’ but it is the  Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Sage Sankara: ~   VC Neither sacred baths nor any amount of charity nor even Hundreds of pranayamas* can give us the knowledge about our own Self.  The firm experience of the nature of the Self is seen to proceed from inquiry along the lines of the salutary advice of the wise. (13)

 The God is divine, only held in the bondage of the ignorance (matter); perfection will be reached when this bond will burst, and the word they use for it is, therefore, freedom, freedom from the bonds of imperfection, freedom from ignorance.

No prayers or mantras help to get rid of ignorance. All the prayers and mantras and rituals are meant for the ignorant populace, which strongly believes, the world in which he exists as a reality.  

For one who wants to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana, the mantas will not help to realize the truth, which is beyond form, time, and space.

That is why Sage Sankara VC~.61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae), and medicines to such a one?

VC-  v6~ Let erudite scholars quote all the scripture, let Gods be invoked through sacrifices, let elaborate rituals be performed, let personal Gods be propitiated---yet, without the realization of one‘s identity with the Self, there shall be no liberation for the individual, not even in the lifetimes of a hundred Brahmas put together.

Sage Sankara goes on to say: ~A sickness of not cured by saying the word “medicine.” You must take the medicine. Liberation does not come by merely saying the word “Brahman (God).” Brahman must be realized. Until you allow this apparent universe to dissolve from your consciousness until you have realized Brahman, how can you find liberation just by saying the word Brahman? The result is merely noise. Until a man has destroyed his enemies and taken possession of the splendor and wealth of the kingdom, he cannot become a king by simply saying “I am a king.”

When one becomes aware of the fact that the Soul is the Self, then he realizes the fact that whatever is known, seen, believed, and experienced on the base of the ‘I’ is an illusion.

You, search for the ‘Self’ you will find only the Soul.  You, search for the truth and you will find only the Soul. 

You, search for the God you will find only the Soul.  You,  search for love you will find only the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Thus, the Soul is the Goal.  The Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, is the ultimate truth or Brahman or God in truth. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Sage Sankara says the transparent Truth of the Self, which is hidden by the illusion, is to be attained through the instructions of a Gnani.+

Sage Sankara says the transparent Truth of the Self, which is hidden by the illusion, is to be attained through the instructions of a Gnani.

First, know ‘what is the truth’ and ‘what is untruth’ for sure. Without realizing what untruth truth is, it is difficult to know what truth is.

When the sky, clouds, and the world in which you exist are made of single clay then there is no second thing that exists, other than that clay. That clay is the Soul, which is formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

Reality is hidden by unreality. The world in which we exist hides the truth.  Whatever belongs to you is unreal. The words and thoughts belong to you, not to the Soul, which is the ‘Self'. Whatever has name and form and attributes and whatever belongs to form, time and space is an illusion. The illusion hides the Spirit, which is God.  The illusion and Spirit are one in essence.  Spirit, which is God in truth alone is real and eternal. 

Every human being is potentially capable of realizing the ‘Self.  The human goal is to discover and realize the ‘Self’ hidden by the ‘I’, which is the dualistic illusion.

Ish Upanishad declares: ~ “Those people who have neglected the attainment of Self-knowledge and have thus committed suicide. 

Those people who have neglected the attainment of Self-knowledge and have thus committed suicide, as it were, are doomed to enter those worlds after death. This is a condemnation of people who do not try to attain Self-knowledge. They are, in a real sense, committing suicide, for what can be worse than being a slave to sense enjoyment, completely oblivious of the real purpose of life, which is to be one ’s, own master?

There is nothing more rational, more intelligible, and more un-dogmatic insights of Sage Sankara is to drop all the theistic non-duality or Advaita which is meant for those who are incapable and not receptive to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.

Swami Vivekananda said: ~ “You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher but your own Soul.”

The Soul, the Self is prior to the ‘I’.

It is foolish to say I AM THIS or I AM THAT’ because the ‘Self ‘is not ‘I’.  The ‘Self is the Soul, which witnesses the ‘I’.

That is why Ashtavakra Gita 16:10:~ If you desire liberation, but you still say ‘I’," if you feel the ‘Self’ is the ‘I’, you are not a wise man or a seeker. You are simply a man who suffers.

Even after knowing the ‘Self’ is not ‘I’ people are stuck to ‘I-centric teaching and Gurus. Those who are stuck with ‘I’ or ‘I AM’ will never be able to get rid of ignorance.

Every human being is potentially capable of realizing the ‘Self.  The human goal is to discover and realize the ‘Self’ hidden by the ‘I’, which is the dualistic illusion.

When the Advaitic wisdom dawns then this world in which you exist which you think as reality becomes unreal. :~Santthosh Kumaar

The Soul, the Self is prior to the ‘I’.+

Most people have the desire to know the truth but the capacity to understand and assimilate it is limited. The result is that people resolve the conflict by jumping to the first and simplest and easiest conclusion as the correct one, and smugly but unjustifiably thinking “I know”: Thus they commit the fallacy of primitivity.

Truth means certainty. If there is any uncertainty it is not the truth. It does not deal with imagination. People do not have a scientific attitude because they take things as presented to them. They have rather an emotional and sentimental attitude. The correct attitude is to verify all the facts, to see a problem in them, something to investigate and inquire into them.

Truth must be verifiable; unless it is verifiable it is of no value.  Those who lack the capacity to doubt are not fit for the pursuit of truth.

The analogical, inductive, and deductive reasoning is good only within the domain of form, time, and space; none are absolutely and universally infallible because they are based on the dualistic perspective. Whatever is based on the dualistic perspective is not the truth because it is of the dualistic illusion.

The seeker should always verify teacher, pundit, or yogi for their statements and claims has to be verified before accepting them as truth.

The Soul, Self cannot be known by intuition but they can be grasped by reason. There is a need to know first the Self is not the ‘I’ but the Soul, the witness of the ‘I’. 

If the Self is not ‘I’ but the Soul then the reasoning has to be based on the Soul not on the ‘I’.  the based reasoning is dualistic reasoning.  Soulcentric reasoning is necessary to unfold the mystery of the ‘I’, which is the dualistic illusion.

When you learn to reason on the base of the Soul, the Self, then all the clouds and confusion start clearing on their own, and finally, you will have no confusion left.  When all the doubts and confusion are cleared when there is no room left to say the world in which you exist is a reality.

Whatever you have seen, known believed, and experienced is within the universe.   The universe appears as the waking experience (duality)  and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality).

If you feel the ‘Self’ is the ‘I’, you are not a seeker. You are simply a man who is ignorant and refuses to accept the truth hidden by the ‘I’.

The ‘I’ itself is the cause of separation.

The ‘I’ itself is ignorance.

The ‘I’ itself is an illusion.

That is why Ashtavakra Gita 16:10:~ If you desire liberation, but you still say ‘I’," if you feel the ‘Self’ is the ‘I’, you are not a wise man or a seeker. You are simply a man who suffers.

Come out of the grip of the ‘I’ by realizing using the word ‘I’ to indicate the ‘Self’ itself becomes an obstacle to realizing the oneness.

The ‘I’ is nothing to do with the Soul, the Self, which is the witness of the coming and going of the ‘I’.

Until you hold the Self as ‘I’ you will remain in the domain of ignorance because the ‘I’ itself is ignorance.

Getting rid of ignorance is necessary to unfold the ‘Self’ hidden by the ‘I’.

The ‘I’ is not permanent because it appears and disappears.   The Soul, the witness of the coming and going of the ‘I’ is permanent and eternal.

The Soul, the Self is prior to the ‘I’.

It is foolish to say I AM THIS or I AM THAT’ because the ‘Self ‘is not ‘I’.  The ‘Self is the Soul, which witnesses the ‘I’.: ~Santthosh Kumaar

There is no such thing as the ‘I’ because ‘I’ is an illusion created out of the Soul, the Self, which is present in the form of the consciousness.+

There is no such thing as the ‘I’ because ‘I’ is an illusion created out of the Soul, the Self, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Remember:~

If the ‘I’ is an illusion the mind is bound to be an illusion because the ‘I’ is the mind itself.

If the mind is an illusion then the form, time, and space are bound to be an illusion because the form, time, and space together is the mind. 

If form, time, and space are an illusion then the universe is an illusion because the universe ceases to exist without form, time, and space.

If the universe is an illusion then the waking experience is bound to be an illusion because the universe appears as the waking experience.

If the waking experience is an illusion then the individual experience of the birth, life, death, and the world is an illusion because the individual experience of the birth, life, death, and the world is present only in waking experience.

Remember:~

 If ‘I’ is absent then the illusion is absent.

 If the ‘I’ is absent then the mind is absent.

 If the ‘I’ is absent then the form, time, and space are absent.

If the ‘I’ is absent then the universe is absent.

If if the ‘I’ is absent then the waking is absent.

If the ‘I’ is absent then the individual experience of birth, life, death, and the world is absent.

If the ‘I’ is absent then the Soul, the Self is present as formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

What is the use of sticking to the ‘I’, which is the dualistic illusion?

As the seeker's understanding of ‘what is what ‘grows, gradually the seeker gets a glimpse of truth. Whatever is based on the waking entity is falsehood and whatever is based on the formless Soul, the  Self is real and eternal. 

Thus it is necessary for the seeker of truth to make sure the waking entity (ego) is not the Self but the Self is formless Soul in order to acquire Self-knowledge. ~ Santthosh Kumaar

How can one drop the body and mind without knowing what this body is and mind supposed to be in actuality? +

People talk about dropping the body and mind to get enlightenment. How can one drop the body and mind without knowing what this body is and mind is supposed to be in actuality?

They just imagine that way by dropping the body and mind they get enlightenment. 

From the dualistic perspective, people see the world in which they exist as a reality. They see their body as the body, their ego as the ego, and the world in which they exist as the world whereas a Gnani sees everything from the non-dualistic perspective. 

A Gnani sees his body as consciousness, his ego as consciousness, the world in which he exists as consciousness. 

For a Gnani, whatever is seen, known, believed, and experienced is nothing but consciousness. There is unity in diversity in Gnani's understanding whereas the ignorant people see only diversity and separation.

In Advaitic  Self-awareness, the ego is not considered as ego, even though the ego is present, the body is not considered as a body even though the body is present, the world which confronts him is not considered as world even though the world is present, the duality ceases even though the duality is present, because of wisdom everything is considered as consciousness. Thus, there is conscious oneness.

Only in ignorance, the world in which we exist is an illusion created out of the Soul, the  Self. 

The world is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

People's approach is more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real. That is why all the confusion.

The look of an object will depend upon the medium through which the observer views it. In fact, our mental and intellectual conditions determine the world, observed and experienced. The commoner viewing the world will see differently from a Gnani viewing the same world. Each one interprets the world that they see in terms of their existing knowledge. The commoner sees everything based on the ego, therefore, experiences the birth, life, death, and the world as a reality, whereas a Gnani sees everything as the consciousness and he is fully aware of the fact that, there is no second thing that exists other than the Soul or the consciousness. Thus, all the egocentric (religious) adulteration has to be bifurcated to realize the ultimate truth, which is beyond form, time, and space.

Thus, it is necessary to learn to view and judge the worldview from the non-dualistic perspective, in order to realize that form, time and space are one in essence. There is nothing to realize other than realizing that consciousness is everything. The consciousness is second to none.

When everything is nothing but consciousness then what remains is not consciousness.

Without knowing ‘what is this mind (I)? - in actuality, it is impossible to realize the truth hidden by the mind. People are stuck thinking the mind is within their body and theorize and write books speculating and creating their own theory.

A deeper self-search reveals the fact that the ‘I’ is present in the form of mind. And the mind is in the form of the universe. And the universe appears as the waking or the dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality).

Self-realization is necessary to realize the mind, which is present in the form of the universe is merely an illusion.   The mind cannot be destroyed because it is merely an illusion. When Advaitic wisdom dawns the unreal nature of the mind is exposed, the same way the unreal nature of the dream was exposed when waking takes place.

I am highlighting all the obstacles on the inner journey and how to overcome these obstacles. All accumulated knowledge is of no use in the Atmic path. 

It is for every seeker, who is in the Atmic path to realize himself “What is the truth?" and “What is untruth?” to assimilate the Self –Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. 

My postings are only signposts.  The seeker needs to reflect constantly on the subject till the cobwebs of his doubts and confusion get cleared.

It takes time for the seeker to gain the perfect understanding of ‘what is the truth’ and ‘’what is untruth’. It takes time for the Soul, the innermost Self to wake up from the sleep of ignorance, and it takes time for one realizes the truth, which is beyond form, time, and space. :~ Santthosh Kumaar

People search for a guru but they are not even aware of the fact that what their accepted Guru preaches is Advatic Gnana.+

Having a Guru is a religious and yogic idea. People search for a guru but they are not even aware of the fact that what their accepted Guru preaches is Advatic Gnana.

Many people are stuck to the idea that without a Guru, Truth -realization is impossible. Guru is only a religious fable. They do not even know that the Guru teaches is the truth.

Gurus themselves dwelling in darkness preach their way is the only way and the followers of the Gurus follow the dualistic path like the blind led by the blind.

The Guru is useless so long as the ultimate truth is unknown, and Guru is equally useless when the ultimate truth or Brahman has already been known.

The Guru is useless so long as the ultimate truth is unknown, and Guru is equally useless when the ultimate truth or Brahman has already been known.

A Guru is needed in the religious and the yogic path. There is no need for a Guru to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

A person who realized the ultimate truth or Brahman will throw off his religious robe and all religious identity and live like a commoner. A Gnani never identifies himself as Gnani nor does he identify himself as superior to others. He only shares his knowledge with fellow seekers.

A Gnani never identifies himself as a Guru or a Yogi or someone disciple. The one who accepts himself as a Guru or someone’s disciple is not a Gnani.

Vedas bars human worship: ~

Yajur Veda

Translation

"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, But those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time."- (Yajur Veda 40:9.)

There is no need for a Guru to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. If you are worshipping the human being as God you are worshiping ignorance as God. if you are seeking truth nothing but the truth you must restrain all such activities which block your realization of the ultimate truth or Brahman or God in truth.

Vedas clearly says those who worship Human and the like in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.

Guru worship is not the Vedic idea. It is adapted for Buddhism and Jainism. The seeker of truth need not indulge non-Vedic acts, which keeps him permanently in prison of ignorance.

Why worship and glorify the Gurus and Yogis (human form) in place of God when Veda bars such activities and it also warns people who indulge in such activities are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time

Ashtavakra Samhita: ~ "The man of knowledge (Gnani), though living like an ordinary man, is contrary to him and only those like him understand his state.

Sage Sankara: ~ "Though I wear these robes of a Sanyasin, it is only for the sake of bread."

So he wore a Guru's robe only for the sake of the ignorant. So he was identified as Guru with parampara by religious people. For the truth seekers, Sage Sankara is a Brahma Gnani.

Sage Sankara himself said: ~ A Gnani "bears no outward mark of a holy man" (Stanza 539).

Thus, it proves that the religious gurus and yogis are not Gnanis because they identified themselves as holy people.

All those who were the sanyasin robes are wearing it for the sake of bread belongs to the religion; they are nothing to do with the Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. There is no need to criticize and condemn the gurus, yogis, and swamis because they are needed for the welfare of ignorant masses in the dualistic world.

Even Swami Vivekananda was Ramakrishna Paramahansa's disciple. Swami Vivekananda himself said: ~ “You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher, but your own Soul.”:~ Santthosh Kumaar

You are not the ‘Self. You are bound by the experience of birth, life, death and the world.+

People who think the " I " in everyone and everything is realized the Self without realizing 'I'  is not within but you are within the ‘I’, which is present in form of the world.

The ‘Self’ is not the body.

The ‘Self’ is not within the body.

You are not the ‘Self.

You are bound by the form, time and space.

 You are bound by the experience of birth, life, death, and the world.

 You are never free because the world in which you exist is the product of ignorance. 

The world in which you exist is created out of single clay. That single clay is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.  The Soul is the innermost Self. The Soul is not ‘I’. The Soul is the witness of the ‘I’ which appears and disappears. 

The Soul is the only permanent thing and the ‘I’ is merely an illusion. If you do not understand this truth you will never be able to cross the ‘I’, which is the dualistic illusion. 

The seeker has to make sure what is this ‘I’ supposed to be? The seeker has to make sure the unreal nature of the ‘I’ which comes and goes.  

That is why Bhagavad Gita: ~ The permanent is always there, only the transient ‘I’ comes and goes. (2.18)

The ‘I’ hides the Soul, the Self, which is the cause of the universe. 

People think the ‘I’ without the body is the Self. The seeker has to understand the fact that ‘I’ is not the Self, but the witness of the ‘I’ is the true Self, which is eternal. 

That is why Ashtavakra Gita 16:10:~ If you desire liberation, but you still say "I," If you feel the ‘Self’ is the ‘I’, You are not a wise man or a seeker. You are simply a man who suffers. 

People are stuck with the reality of the ‘I’, which they take as real because some Gurus have propagated the Self is the ‘I’. is no need to convince such a mindset. The seeker of truth accepts only the truth nothing but the truth. 

That is why Sage Sankara says:~ VC-65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the Self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted arguments.

People refuse to accept anything other than their Gurus words. For them, their Gurus words are the ultimate truth. They do not accept anything else other than their accepted truth. There is no need to convince such a mindset.

Such a mindset is not fit to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. The seekers of truth accept only the truth nothing but the uncontradictable truth.: ~ Santthosh Kumaar