Monday, February 2, 2015

If cause and effect are one what is the difference between the two? +



The Soul or consciousness appears as the diverse universe is only an illusion. If it really became diverse then the immortal would become mortal. 

The dualist’s thinkers who seek to prove the origination of the unborn, by that very enterprise try to make the immortal, mortal. 

Ultimate nature can never change - the immortal can never become mortal and vice versa. There's no plurality in the nature of the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. 
  
Consciousness appears to be many”; "those who are attached to creation or production or origination are in ignorance because their approach is more practical, and they are stuck with the reality of the universe (waking) and take it as real.

The dualist thinkers’ arguments are based on false Self (ego or you) and false experience (mind or waking or dream or universe)    to show the weakness of the position of the dualistic viewpoint.  They are at their wits end to explain.

 Existence cannot be a cause and effect at the same time, from the point of view of the dualists, but deeper Self-search shows that Existent is no two and causality can’t rise at all. Dualistic Theory says that whatever was in the cause was also in the effect. They say that the gold brick, the gold medal, and the gold ornaments --are in the seed--the gold. 

Deeper Self-search reveals the fact that, if cause and effect are one what is the difference between the two? 

Remember:~

The man remains as part of the objective world and tries to discover the ultimate truth, not realizing the fact that, he and his experience of the dualist universe is an object to the nondual subject. He applies it to things seen as an individual. This is because he is ignorant of the relation between the formless subject (Soul) and the object (mind or universe). He judges everything on the base of the object as the subject and tries to realize the ultimate truth on the base of the objectified subject. Whatever objects are known by the ego, are objects within the object (universe).
Thoughts are also objects because it is part of the objective universe. The thoughts will not rise without the form, which is an object. Whether the objects are there or not, consciousness will always be there, even in deep sleep

Remember:~
The difference between mind (universe) and Soul (consciousness) is only when one considers the waking entity (ego or you) as the Self. From the ultimate standpoint,  there is no second thing that exists other than the Soul, which is present in consciousness because the formless substance and witness of the mind or universe is consciousness.   The mind and Soul are one,  in essence.
Psychologists say that if the object is not there to draw one's attention, then there is no consciousness. The latter, therefore, insist on consciousness being a relation between one who is aware and an object of which he is aware. It is obvious that we differ in the meaning of the term consciousness.
Ultimate truth means the knowledge of the non-relation, and the relation whereas psychology as well as in religious or pseudo-Vedanta Consciousness is only witnessing.
Psychologists have analyzed much as far as subject-object relation i.e. the mind plus object equals the consciousness and then stopped. But they have to analyze still further in the direction of noting that all objects are constantly changing, illusion, which implies that there is a constant standard of reference, something that notes the changes because it keeps unchanged itself. That something is consciousness.
The idea of change presupposes the existence of something unchanging, how does one distinguish this change from changelessness? 
By what means does one have to know that change has occurred? There is, there must be a changeless knower of the ever-changing; whilst, all changes the consciousness remains unchanged.
Thoughts are arising within the mirage and pass away every moment. Every object is an idea within the dualistic illusion. Hence, every object has no more value than that of thought because both are part of the mirage.
The moment is time. Time creates division in consciousness (Soul), which is the innermost Self. The past, present, and future exists within the myth and so also this and that.
Self-Realization is necessary to know what truth is and what is the untruth. :~Santthosh Kumaar 

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