Friday, September 12, 2014

Sage Sankara says: - Yoga is not the means of liberation.+



Buddha gave up yoga after practicing it for six years. He saw it could not yield truth.
Buddha gave up his austerities of yoga as impossible and useless. Thus Buddha got enlightenment only after he gave up Yoga. (Page.70/71 "Buddhism In Translation” by Warren)
Unless one exercise his Buddhi--reason--there is no chance of getting the ultimate truth or Brahman
Buddhism has not proved the truth of Nonduality. Buddha pointed out the unreality of the world, we agree. He told people they were foolish to cling to it. But he stopped there. He came nearest to Vedanta in speech, but not to Vedanta fully.
Only when we independently search the truth without the religion and its doctrine, then we will be able to realize the truth beyond form, time, and space. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar
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  • Sandip Jadhav Pardon me, Sir! But the statement - "Yoga is useless and impossible" would be too undermined to be wise. Wouldn't it?



  • Santthosh Kumaar Sage Sankara said:~Neither by the practice of yoga nor philosophy, nor by good works, nor by learning, does liberation come, but only through the realization that Atman and Brahman are one in no other way.(1) VivekaChudamani v 56, pg 25
  • Santthosh Kumaar Lord Krishna confesses that the oldest wisdom of India (our true Advaita philosophy) has been lost: people misinterpret and falsify it today as they did then. It is not yoga, but philosophic truth. But nobody knows it. The teachers of philosophy and leaders of mysticism or religion do not want to inquire into the truth and have no time for it. (Gita –Chap- IV-v.2) 


    In Gita Chap.IV where Lord Krishna says :- "This yoga has been lost for ages" the word yoga refers to Gnana yoga, not other yogas: the force of the word this is to point this out. 

    Lord Krishna describes some of the other yogas but devotes this chapter separately to Gnana Yoga. So one sees even in those ancient days people did not care for Advaita; they wanted religion; hence, Gnana got lost.

  • Santthosh Kumaar The essence of Mundaka is: Do not be satisfied with rituals, yoga, etc. which are good in their own way, but inquire. Into what? Brahman and Atman are things you can never see. So do not inquire into them. Inquire into the world around you, which you can see. Science tells you it is passing away every second. Everything is dying repeatedly. Where is it going? Thus, you follow up your inquiry into what you can lay hands on. How can you inquire into Atma which you cannot see? So first we deal with the known and seen, this inquiry leads up to the unknown in the end.

  • Sandip Jadhav I agree with all of the above references as a matter of fact. I am not talking about Yoga as a set of physical practices nor I am talking of the norms now and then. Although there are various schools of Yoga, Yoga itself is based on the purpose. And whatever fulfills the purpose, it becomes Yoga.




  • Santthosh Kumaar I respect your views and wisdom.

    As per my conviction:~ 
    Yoga is based on the body as the Self. deeper investigation reveals the fact that the self is not the body. Therefore the body-based practices will not yield truth. Yoga has in its own value in practical life within the practical world. But yoga is nothing to do with the ultimate truth or Brahman. 
    The path of wisdom is nothing to do with yoga and religion. The path of religion, the theory of karma, the yogic path and the path of wisdom were intended for different classes of people. The wisdom is for the advanced seekers of truth. It deals with the nature of the ultimate Truth and Reality. It is meant for superior aspirants who have the inner urge to know the truth and it is not for those who are immersed in the earthly desires.
    As per the scriptures, the three "Ashrams" or stages in life were originally intended for three grades of intelligence thus:

    Religion: low intellects had to do 'karmas' works, ritual actions, chanting of mantras and indulging in Bajans and prayers, etc.

    Middle intellects: Yoga: taking yellow robes, going to caves, ashrams, etc.

    High intellects: wisdom who wanted truth is concerned with no external rites or sannyasa but depend solely on the intelligent inquiry for their path.

    Sage Sankara says: - Yoga is not the means of liberation (page 132-133 - Commentary on Brihadaranyakopanishad.

    In Sutra Bashya and Manduka: - The Samadhi and sleep are identical. 

    Brihad Upanishad does not advocate Samadhi.

    Sage Sankara in the commentary to "Brahma Sutras: - " "The highest beatitude is not to be attained by Yoga." (Sacred Books of East Series page 298 Vol.1.) And he also says Samadhi is the same as sleep (p.312) ---this indicates that yoga is not the means to self-realization. 

    Yoga can yield the only duality, because everything that one can do or practice becomes a vanishing 'known.' It yields relative truth based on imagination, which is true from the physical viewpoint of view, not non-dual truth, which is the ultimate reality or Brahman or God in truth.

Thursday, September 11, 2014

Rig Veda,:~ The Soul is the cause; the Soul is the support of all that exists in this universe.+




Religion and yoga propagate the myth of individual souls encapsulated within bodies. The Soul, the Self, contains all bodies and the entire universe but absolutely does not reside in a physical body.

Panchadasi says: ~ "If a person cannot undertake the study into the nature of Brahman, either through a dull intellect or through want of accessories for such inquiry, he must be constantly engaged in the meditation on Brahman." The term accessories here mean "the person who knows Brahman, i.e. Gnani.

Panchadasi says: ~ "The Yogi who moves unseeing through this world is not better than a lump of clay in human form; it is not imperceptions of the world that is needed but the intellectual realization that its substratum is an idea.

The mind is virtually the universe. The universe appears as a waking or dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality). Efforts should be made to understand the mind. Advaitic is wisdom is ancient truth preserved as a secret by sages of truth.

Every minute the waking experience is changing. The waking experience becomes deep sleep and deep sleep becomes the dream. Thus, their continuous change is going on and on in consciousness.

The one that appears as waking, the one that appears as a dream, and one that becomes the deep sleep is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. Thus,, all three states are created out of single stuff and that stuff is consciousness.

Thus, one which becomes duality (waking or dream) and the one which becomes nonduality (deep sleep) are the same consciousness. Thus, the consciousness alone is real and all the three states are merely an illusion.

Remember:~

Rig Veda:~The Soul is the cause;  the soul is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Soul, the self. May ye never accept another God in place of the soul, nor worship other than the Soul?- 10:48, 5.

The Soul or Atman is the only Reality. 'Reality' is defined as that which does not disappear at any time. By this test, Ataman, which is absolutely present always, and eternal, is alone real. The waking or dream which consists of a man and the world keeps on appearing and disappearing all the time, so it cannot be considered as real.  
People consider the world is real because they are born and living in the world, but they are unaware of the fact that the world which consists of them is within the waking or dream which is present as the mind or’ I’. 
Until and unless they verify the truth of their true existence, they are bound to believe, that they are an individual separate from the world, and they are born in this world and the world existed prior to them.  
Until this conviction is there they will not be able to grasp and assimilate the nondual truth. And individuality and separateness from the world keep them in the grip of duality. To overcome the duality they have to drop old subconscious conditioning.  This has to be done by repetitively reading my blogs and posting. Repetitively reading my blogs and posting helps to acquire Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. 
This Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana repetitively reads my blogs and postings and sends suggestions to the subconscious 'what is real' and 'what is unreal'  and these suggestions will stir and churn the sub-conscious,  and lots of doubts and confusion start popping up.  This is because of the inner work. 
The subconscious is trying to replace the old programming with a new program by accepting new suggestions.  The seeker has to write down all the doubts and try to find answers on his own through deeper thinking.  
As he starts thinking the inner revelation starts,  and all the answers will start to come on their own. And when uncontradicted truth comes as an answer, it is a sign that the subconscious has dropped its old programming and accepted a new program, which the seeker has injected through suggestions.
Words may aggravate illusion; words may also help dispel it.  It is necessary to repeat the same truth again and again until it becomes reality. One needs to constantly reflect on the subject until one gets a conviction of what is what. Words of wisdom are needed until one gets a firm conviction of ‘what is what,. People need to read and hear the words to think deeply and reach the ultimate end.  

Till man thinks of himself as a person perceiving the world, he will not be able to understand and assimilate the Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. When the deeper Self-search reveals the fact that, the Self is neither the waking entity, nor the Self is a dream entity, but the self is the formless, timeless, and spaceless Soul.

 If the Self is not the form,  but the Self is formless, then man (form) is not the self. If a man is not the Self, how can he know and assimilate the truth, how can he recognize and measure the truth?  


The truth is possible to realize only when he includes the world in his realization. Doubts and confusions arise out of partial vision. When the whole truth is realized, there can be no doubts and confusion. Everything depends on the seeker's intensity to know the truth and sharpness and inner maturity to grasp it.

Read my blogs and postings like an affirmation, until it reaches the core. Once the inner work starts your thinking process diverts itself from the pathway to the highway and from the highway to the runway and helps you to understand and assimilate and realize better and faster.:~Santthosh Kumaar 

Buddhism says: all things are illusory and nothing exists. However, Advaita avers that it is not so.+



Sage Sankara: ~"That which permeates all, which nothing transcends and which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman — that thou art."

People think it is very difficult to acquire  Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana has to be acquired carefully and gradually, through deeper self-search by realizing 'what is not the truth' to realize 'what is the truth'. 

In the past, spirituality was treated not as a separate subject but as a part of religion, but it is not so. Religion is based on form and spirituality is based on formless. Therefore, spirituality is nothing to do with religion.  Spirituality is a rational inquiry regarding all that is known to exist. Everyone, each to the extent to which one's reasoning power admits, is by nature free to exercise this faculty, at whatever stage one may be. One can devote himself exclusively to a pursuit of the highest Truth, through reason.

It is no use arguing Buddha is wrong or Sage Sankara is right, but where we are going wrong in our understanding of the non-dual truth, propagated by the great sages of the past.  Some say, that without the sunyvada, Advaita philosophy could not have come into existence; Because Advaita starts from where sunyavada ends.  That is why they say it is an extension of Buddhism.  If Advaita existed prior to Buddha, he would not have advocated sunyavada at all because Advaita is a final and ultimate truth. 

Bhagvan Buddha also holds that this world which changes from moment to moment is not real, it is only a reflection and a thing of which it is the reflection alone is real. Bhagvan Buddha was not an atheist. He never denied a reality. There is nothing in his words or teaching to show that he considered truth to be non-existent like horns of a hare. He could not have held the foolish view that something came out of nothing. It is true; some of his disciples misunderstood and misinterpreted him. His idea was that the truth which cannot be designated by a name or described is words and of which one cannot even say whether it is existent or none extent, is like non-existent.  The idea is quite in agreement with the view of the Upanishads. An object which cannot even be talked about, is, for all practical purposes, as good as non-extent. But it is not non-existent in the sense that the son of the barren woman is non-existent.  This subtle idea, Bhagvan Buddha's contemporaries and even his disciple-fail to catch. In one passage Bhagvan Buddha says clearly: Srmana Gautama was an atheist. It is the annihilation of the non-existent of truth that he teaches. So will people attribute to me atheism, which is not mine? So will they ascribe me to the theory of non-existent, which again is not mine? 

From these similar statements of 
Bhagvan Buddha, it is clear that he was not an atheist. All philosophers old and new arrivals at the same point. Orthodox Advaita (monism) is inevitable; the people of thoughtful temperament cannot find peace and quietude until they do so. Moksha (liberation) is in the realization of oneness with God. They speak of God-Goddesses, devotion, and devotee, only in an inaccurate way only from the standpoint of dvaithi.  After realizing oneness with God, there is no distinction between God and devotee, and the word "devotion" has no meaning.   

Advaitin disagrees with Buddhists who say, there is nothing - a nonentity. Advaitin believes there is some reality, even though things are not what they appear to be. If one knows the truth, he will know what to do to find inspiration for action. The seeker of truth‘s subject is to know what is it that is Real.

Buddhism says: all things are illusory and nothing exists.  However, Advaita avers that it is not so.  It says that the universe, of course, is illusory, but there is Brahman, that exists forming the very substratum of all things. 

Since the Buddhist and Vedic scriptures have been passed down by hearing. They were written down only relatively late. So one wouldn’t know whether to rely on the times they give. Also, a lot depends on the translation. Each 'Shloka' or sutra is open to many layers of interpretation. 

So many centuries have passed since  Sage Sankara appeared, yet it is very hard to find his true teachings understood anywhere in India today Because so few could rise to his level. Hence, qualified non-dualist Sage   Sri, Ramanuja,  dualist Sage Madvacharya, and others came to supply the common demand.

Sage Sankara's work has got two aspects: the vyavikarika and the paramarthika. He gave religious, ritual, or dogmatic instruction to the populace but pure philosophy only to the few who could rise to it. Hence, the interpretation of his writings by commentators is often confusing because they mix up the two viewpoints. Thus, they may assert that ritual is a means of realizing Brahman, which is absurd. 

As per the religious archaeologists' view: the date of  Sage Sankara may be taken most correctly as that of the 9th Century. Some claims are made in India that he lived two thousand years ago, but there is absolutely no proof for this claim.  They do not go back farther than the 12th century A.D. and all so-called evidence for Sankara having lived two centuries before Christ are either were conjectures or Pandit's fabrication.

Regarding the question of  Sage Sankara's death, one may dismiss the legend that he did not die, at the age of 32 but disappeared into a cave. This is another Pandit's story that is quite unfounded. He did really die in the Himalayas at that age.

As one goes into the annals of history, one becomes aware of the fact that; the spiritual Advaita is mixed up with punditry.  Therefore, there is a need to do his own research to know the true essence of Advaita propounded by Sage Sankara and Sage  Goudapada and the emptiness of the Bhagvan Buddha

How Sage Sankara could have written so many books during such a short term of existence. The fact is that he wrote very few books. Those actually written by him were Commentaries on Brahma Sutras and the Upanishads and on the Gita. All other books ascribed to him were not written down by his own hand.

They are merely collections of notes recorded by his disciples from his sayings, talks, and discussions. Fourthly Sage Sankara's own Guru was named Sri, Govinda and he lived near Indore. When  Sage Sankara wrote his commentary on the Manduka his guru was so pleased with it that he took his disciple to the Himalayas to visit his own Guru who was named  Sage Goudapada. Only when the latter agreed that the commentary was perfect did Sri, Govinda release his disciple to start his own mission of teaching.

Sage Sankara varied his practical advice and doctrinal teaching according to the people he was amongst. He never told them to give their particular religion or beliefs or metaphysics completely; he only told them to give up the worst features of abuse: at the same time he showed just one step forward towards the truth.

In Brahma Sutras Sage Sankara says that Brahman is the cause of the world, whereas in Mandukya he denies it. This is because he says that at the lower stage of understanding, the former teaching must be given, for people will get frightened as they cannot understand how the world can be without a cause, but to those in a higher stage, the truth of non-causality can be revealed.

Brahma Sutras, i.e. "Vedanta Sutras" by Badarayana, are intended for those of middling intellects, not for those who have the best brains: it is a semi-theological, semi-philosophical work; it starts with the assumption that Brahman exists.

The opening sentence is "All this is Brahman.” But nobody knows or has seen Brahman. If we say "All this is wood" and show a piece of wood, the words are understandable. Suppose you have never seen wood. Then what is the use of such a sentence? It becomes meaningless when the object indicated is seen by none. Hence, the Brahma Sutra opening is equivalent to "All this is X". Both have no meaning so long as they are not understood if we take them as the data to start from. It is for this reason that I say the book is intended for theological minds because it begins with dogma although its reasoning is close. For it starts with something imagined.

A man who describes  Sage Sankara's philosophy as negative (because of his Neti, Neti) does not know that this is applied only to the world of the Seen, the critic ignorantly believes that it is also applied to the Seer. Vedanta never negates the 'Seer', only the seen. Scriptural mastery is not wisdom.

As one goes deeper into the subject one becomes aware of the fact that the religion, scriptures, and concept of God is nothing to do with the spiritual side of Advaita, the present religious-based Advaitic knowledge and theories are meant for the mass, who hold the religion as high, not the truth because religion is based on the form (waking entity or ego) and they view and judge and argue on the base of the body (waking entity or ego)as self,  but spiritual Advaita is based on the formless (Soul) and it negates everything other than the Soul.

The Soul is present in the form of consciousness is the ultimate y reality and there is nothing other than this Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.  

From the standpoint of the Soul, the Self, there is no second thing that exists other than consciousness.  Because the whole universe in which we all exist is created out of consciousness.  There is no second thing that exists other than consciousness. Hence it is nondual (non-duality). :~Santthosh Kumaar     

Bhagavan Buddha said: The UPANISHADS talk about liberation, but you will be there.+



Bhagavan Buddha existed in India in a period when the whole country was going through a crisis of everything irrational: the VEDAS, the UPANISHADS, the whole mysticism. The movement against all this was very great, particularly in Bihar where Buddha was.

Bhagavan Buddha was charismatic and hypnotic. People were impressed by him. But the interpretation of Buddha was bound to be rational. 

If Bhagavan Buddha had lived at another time in history, in a part of the world that was not against mysticism, he would have been seen as a great mystic, not as an intellectual. The face that is known belongs to the history of a particular time. As I see Bhagavan Buddha, he was not primarily rational. The whole concept of nirvana is mystical.

He was even more mystical than the UPANISHADS, because the UPANISHADS, however mystical they look, have their own rationality. They talk about the transmigration of the Soul. Bhagavan Buddha talked about transmigration without a soul. It is more mystical.


Bhagavan Buddha said: The UPANISHADS talk about liberation, but you will be there. Otherwise, the whole thing becomes nonsense. If I cannot be in that ultimate state of existence, then the whole effort is useless and illogical. Bhagavan Buddha said the effort is to be done – and you will not be there. It will just be nothingness. The concept is more mystical. (OSHO)

Bhagavan Buddha:  ~ Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. 

Bhagavan Buddha:~ It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell. 

 Bhagavan Buddha To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others.

An essential identity between Atman and Brahman is upheld in Advaita Vedanta. The personality of Sage Sri, Sankara, and the force of Advaita teaching is so strong that most post-Sankarian schools of Vedanta consciously define their doctrines against Advaita thought.
When Advaita declares Atman and Brahman, then the direct realization of truth is possible without the scriptures. Know the soul to be the true self. The soul, the innermost self is present in the form of consciousness. And realize the consciousness as the ultimate truth or Brahman.

Self-Knowledge is the aim of every human being. Since everyone thinks the physical body is the self their aim is misdirected and they focus their attention on materiality which makes one feel the duality (waking) as a reality.

Therefore, there is no need to study the scriptures, or indulge in god and guru glorification, or perform religious rituals. Since they are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom. It is only a waste of time and effort to indulge in those things.

That is why Sage Sankara says:~VC-59- The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

60. The Scriptures, consisting of many words are a dense forest that merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.
61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae), and medicines to such a one?
62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utters the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realization one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.
63. Without causing the objective universe to vanish and without knowing the truth of the Self, how is one to achieve Liberation by the mere utterance of the word Brahman? — It would result merely in an effort of speech.

Advaita (non-duality) and dvaita (duality) is a state of the Self. It is not some intellectual theory. The Orthodox Advaitins believe the Atman (Soul) is Brahman, and the world is an illusion. The Orthodox dvaitins believe in the body as Self, they believe the world is a reality, and they believe in the creator and creation theory. 

In India Advaita and Dvaita is mere a religious tradition, which they inherited from their ancestors. No one questions their validity, because it is considered blasphemy to question any guru and god-men or pundits.
People who are attached to their religious code of conduct and trying to preach Advaita, that is mixing the individual life, and the concept of God, and all mixed up hotchpotch religious doctrine and feed the seeking minds, are themselves not aware of the fact that the individuality and the worldly life is part of the illusion and it is nothing to do with the ultimate truth or Brahman

Bhagavan Buddha must have verified religion, the Vedas, and the concept of God and found them inadequate and useless in the pursuit of truth and rejected them. Bhagavan Buddha, he got enlightened without the aid of religion, the Vedas, and the concept of God.
That is why Buddha said: ~ Believe nothing because a wise man said it, Believe nothing because it is generally held. Believe nothing because it is written. Believe nothing because it is said to be divine. Believe nothing because someone else said it. But believe only what you yourself judge to be true

After studying and going through all the rigorous training from the religious scholars in the Theosophical Society, J.K was confused about all these, and when he started verifying with deeper introspection, he found everything was priest-crafted hotchpotch ideologies. Thus, he refused to become the world guru, rejected it, and walked out and condemned the priestcraft. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

By inquiring the Who Am I?-Advaitic wisdom will not dawn.+



To understand the false nature of the ‘I’, the Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is necessary.

The Self is not ‘I’, but the 'Self' is the Soul, which is the witness of the ‘I’.  Holding the Self as the   ‘I  leads to a hallucination based on the imagination. 


Make sure ‘I’ is not the Self. If the ‘I’ is not the Self then whatever, you have seen, known, believed, and experienced as an individual is bound to b a falsehood.

If the Self is not ‘I’ then there is no other the ‘I’ because the ‘I’ exist only in the domain of the duality. The Self is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. The nature of the Soul is ‘I’-less. The ‘I’ is illusory, nature of the Soul, the Self. The ‘I’ appears and disappears. 

Thus, holding the ‘I’ as the Self and trying to assimilate Advaitic truth is trying to drain the ocean drop by drop. 

What is this “I”? The ‘I’ is the mind. The body and the world together are the mind. If the mind is there, then only you and your experience of the world are there. If the mind is not there, then you and your mind cease to exist. 

The mind is present in the form of the universe’ the universe appears as a waking or dream(duality) and disappears into a deep sleep (nonduality).

If the ‘I’ is an illusion, then it is no use of inquiring ‘Who Am I? . Till one holds the ‘I’ as the self, is caught up in the prison of the duality. 

Sage Sankara:~ VC~.63: "Without knowing and examining the external world, one can’t know the Truth, as the idea that the external world exists, won't go. It can go only by an inquiry into the nature of the external world. 

A deeper self-search reveals the fact that by inquiring the Who Am I? wisdom will not dawn. Who Am I? - inquiry is only for beginners and it is inadequate and useless in the later stages. 

That is why Sage Sankara:~ VC~.61~ For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae), and medicines to such a one?

VC- v6~ Let erudite scholars quote all the scripture, let Gods be invoked through sacrifices, let elaborate rituals be performed, let personal gods be propitiated---yet, without the realization of one‘s identity with the Self, there shall be no liberation for the individual, not even in the lifetimes of a hundred Brahmas put together.

That is why in Bhagvad Gita: ~ The permanent is always there, only the transient I comes and goes. (2.18)

Until one gets convinced that the ‘I’ is not the Self, he will remain in ignorance of the formless Soul, the Self. If the Self is formless, then the experience of birth, life, death, and the world is bound to be an illusion. Therefore, it is necessary to know and realize the fact that, the Self is not the form, but it is formless before indulging in the inner (mental) journey.

The inquiry is not the set of questions but clearing all the doubts and confusion through deeper reasoning on his own. There is no scope for arguments in pursuit of truth because it is a personal journey that starts within the illusion (waking) and ends in realizing the truth. Thus, the arguments based on the false self will not lead one toward the non-dualistic goal. The seeker of truth has to share assimilation of knowledge and help and inspire fellow seekers and divert their attention from outer to inwardness.

Remember:~

Only through Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana, the ignorance vanish


Some Gurus say by dropping the body and mind you get enlightenment but without knowing what this body and mind are supposed to be in actuality it is impossible to realize the truth, which is hidden by the dualistic illusion, which is present in the form of the ‘I’.

People only imagine that way by dropping the body and the mind they get enlightenment. Imagination is not the truth. It is impossible to drop the body alone because the body and the world have appeared together and they disappear together.
Only by getting rid of the whole dualistic illusion the reality hidden by the dualistic illusion will be revealed. Only when the ignorance vanishes then only the dualistic illusion vanishes. Only through Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana, the ignorance vanishes.
From the dualistic perspective, people see the world in which they exist as a reality. They see their body as the body, their ego as the ego, and the world in which they exist as the world whereas a Gnani sees everything from the non-dualistic perspective.

Remember:~
A Gnani sees his body as the consciousness, his ego as consciousness, and the world in which he exists as the consciousness.
For a Gnani, whatever is seen, known, believed, and experienced is nothing but consciousness. There is unity in diversity in Gnani's understanding whereas the ignorant people see only diversity and separation.
In Advaitic Self-awareness, the ego is not considered as ego, even though the ego is present, the body is not considered as a body even though the body is present, and the world which confronts him is not considered as the world even though the world is present, the duality ceases even though the duality is present, because of wisdom everything is considered as consciousness. Thus there is conscious oneness.
Only in ignorance, the world in which we exist is an illusion created out of the Soul, the innermost Self.
The world is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

Remember:~
People's approach is more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real. That is why all the confusion.
The look of an object will depend upon the medium through which the observer views it. In fact, our mental and intellectual conditions determine the world, observed and experienced. The commoner viewing the world will see differently from a Gnani viewing the same world. Each one interprets the world that they see in terms of their existing knowledge. The commoner sees everything based on the ego, therefore, experiences the birth, life, death, and the world as a reality, whereas a Gnani sees everything as consciousness and he is fully aware of the fact that, there is no second thing that exists other than the Soul or consciousness. Thus, all the egocentric (religious) adulteration has to be bifurcated to realize the ultimate truth, which is beyond form, time, and space.
Thus, it is necessary to learn to view and judge the worldview from a non-dualistic perspective, in order to realize that form, time and space are one in essence. There is nothing to realize other than realizing that consciousness is everything.  Consciousness is second to none.

Remember:~
When everything is nothing but consciousness then what remains is only consciousness.
Without knowing ‘what is this mind in actuality it is impossible to realize the truth hidden by the mind. People are stuck thinking the mind is within their body and theorize and write books speculating and creating their own theories.
A deeper self-search reveals the fact that the ‘I’ is present in the form of mind. And the mind is in the form of the universe. And the universe appears as the waking or the dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality).
Self-realization is necessary to realize the mind, which is present in the form of the universe is merely an illusion. The mind cannot be destroyed because it is merely an illusion. When Advaitic wisdom dawns the unreal nature of the mind is exposed, the same way the unreal nature of the dream was exposed when the waking takes place.
I am highlighting all the obstacles in the inner journey and how to overcome these obstacles. All accumulated knowledge is of no use in the Atmic path.
It is for every seeker, who is on the Atmic path to realize himself “What is the truth? “and “What is untruth?” to assimilate  Self–Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. My postings are only signposts. The seeker needs to reflect constantly on the subject until the cobwebs of his doubts and confusion get cleared.
It takes time for the seeker to gain the perfect understanding of ‘what is truth’ and ‘’what is untruth’. It takes time for the Soul, the innermost Self to wake up from the sleep of ignorance, and it takes time for one realizes the truth, which is beyond form, time, and space. :~ Santthosh Kumaar