The Self is not within the body then why you think the Self is within your body.+

Q:~ Dear Pure Soul, Is it not true that when The Eternal Cosmic Laws get fulfilled, Subtle Truth becomes one's Subjective Experience in 72000 Subtle Meridian Channels in the body as All-Pervading Presence! But could it ever be accessed with limited 5 Senses as Objective Reality? The Sacred Substratum ever exists as [All Pervading Total Awareness] was never formed to ever disappear! sincerely- Suresh

Santthosh Kumaar: ~

Dearest brother

As per my conviction

‘Suppose if you are discussing the same subject in a dream the dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place. Similarly, you are discussing the same subject now in waking then the waking becomes unreal when you realize the Self is not you but the Self is the Soul, which is present in the form of the consciousness. The Soul, the Self is a formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

From the standpoint of the Soul, the Self, the world in which you exist is merely an illusion.

If the world in which you exist is merely an illusion then “your idea of The Eternal Cosmic Laws get fulfilled, Subtle Truth becomes one's Subjective Experience in 72000 Subtle Meridian Channels in the body as All-Pervading Presence! But could it ever be accessed with limited 5 Senses as Objective Reality? The Sacred Substratum ever exists as [All Pervading Total Awareness] was never formed to ever disappear.” ~ is bound to be an illusion.

Remember this:

The Self is not within the body then why you think the Self is within your body. If you think the Self is within your body then you will never be able to realize the Self, which is hidden by the world in which you exist.

Remember this:

The Soul, the Self is not within your body because the Soul, the Self is hidden by the illusory world in which you exist. It is hidden within the illusory world in which you exist because the illusory world in which you exist is created out of the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. Thus, consciousness alone is real and all else is an illusion.

Remember: ~

The Soul is the innermost Self. The Soul is present in the form of consciousness. The consciousness is ever-present. Without consciousness, the world, in which you exist ceases to exist. Consciousness is Self-evident. It is not established by extraneous proofs. It is not possible to deny consciousness because it is the very essence of the one who denies it. Consciousness is the basis of all kinds of knowledge, presuppositions, and proofs. Consciousness is everything. Thus, consciousness is the ultimate truth or Brahman or God in truth.

The Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, is real and eternal. The world in which we exist is an illusion created out of consciousness. : ~Santthosh Kumaar

People think they can control the mind. But with what they are going to control the mind.+

People think they can control the mind. But with what they are going to control the mind?

How can anyone control the mind, with the mind?

There is no other tool available other than the mind. How can man still his thoughts without knowing the nature of the mind? or what is the mind?

When the man and his experience of the world cease to exist without the mind.

It is necessary to know what is mind to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.

Remember:~

The objective world is not a creation of the mind because the objective world itself is the mind. Thus, without knowing ‘What is mind? ‘What is the substance of the mind and ‘What is the source of the mind? it is difficult to understand, assimilate Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

Realize what the mind is supposed to be with full and firm conviction.

The mind is present in the form of the ‘I’.

The mind is present in the form of form, time, and space.

The mind is present in the form of the universe.

The mind is present in the form of the dualistic illusion.

The mind appears as waking or dream (duality).

The mind disappears as deep sleep.

Remember:`

Without the mind:~

There is no ‘I’.

There is no form of form, time, and space.

There is no universe.

There is no dualistic illusion.

There is no waking or dream (duality.

From the spiritualistic perspective, the mind is limited to an individual because the mind is the whole universe.

People mistake the ego for the mind. They limit the mind to an individual. It is an error and this mistake has to be rectified by a perfect understanding and assimilation of ‘what is what.

The seeker has to know: whether the physical body and the world are within the mind or the mind is within the physical body?

The mind, physical body, ego, and the world are present only when the waking experience is present. And the mind is absent when the waking experience is absent.

Thus, one has to conclude the mind as the whole waking experience.

The mind appears as the waking experience or the dreams (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality).

All your arguments are true only on the base of the ego, which is the false Self, within the false experience (waking). The individual experiences within the waking are as real as a dream.

Suppose the same subject, if we are discussing in the dream and one asks me the same questions in the dream, then whatever he said in the dream becomes unreal, when the waking takes place.

Whatever one says now, he is saying within the waking experience. The waking is unreal on the base of the formless witness, which is the Atman. Atman is present in the form the consciousness.

How does one see various objects, scenes, and persons during dreams? If the dream is experienced without the physical body, then what is it that experiences the dream? Therefore, there must be a formless witness (knower) of the dream world. This formless witness is the same witness that is witnessed this waking experience also. Therefore, the waking experience and dream both are witnessed by one and only formless witness of which the seeker is not aware.

Since he considers the physical body (I) as the Self or witness and views and judges the world-view on the standpoint of the false self(ego), within the false experience. The formless witness can exist with or without waking or dream. But the waking or the dream ceases to exist, without the formless witness (Soul).

The gross Waking experience is merged into the mental experience in the sense that, when it is analyzed, it is found to exist inseparably in and as the Soul alone.

All "spiritual" planes are really mental: those who regard them as different or higher are deceiving themselves.

The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place; similarly, the waking becomes unreal when the wisdom dawns. Therefore, everything has to be grasped mentally, not argued from the intellectual point of view, which is limited to the false physical entity within the false experience.

The unreal is created out of the real, and when one views and judges from the standpoint of unreal (ego) then there is duality. When one can view and judge from the standpoint of the real (Soul, the Self) then there is only non -duality.

When the Advaitic truth is revealed then there is neither the duality nor the non-duality, only reality.

All these confusions will go on until the man thinks, he is an individual and apart from the world, and the world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterward. Therefore, it is necessary to know the fact the true Self is not ego, but the true Self is the Soul, and stop viewing and judging the world-view from the standpoint of the physical self (ego), and one has to view and judge on the true Self (Soul) to realize the fact that, the world along with the man is an illusion.

The Soul which is present in the form of consciousness is the cause of the illusion. The Soul is the ultimate truth or Brahman. From the standpoint of the Soul, the innermost Self, there is no second thing that exists there is neither experience nor the experiencer in non-dual reality, but only Self-awareness. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Atman, the Spirit is the universal God. All religious propagated blind faith or blind belief-based Gods are not God in truth.+

The Soul, the Self is not Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist”, because it is ever formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

In religion, there is no freedom to believe other than what it preaches. Religious people consider the mythological stories as truth and not believing in mythological Gods is irreligious. The mythological God can exist within the domain of duality. From the Advaitic perspective, duality is merely an illusion. Thus, whatever belongs to the illusion is bound to be a falsehood.

The religion declares one must believe that there is no other God but God propagated by the particular belief system.

The seeker has to deny the existence of such a God based on blind faith or belief because first, one must realize what God really is.

People find some of the religious doctrines are very illuminating. People who renounce the world and become a monk or sanyasi who leaves it all behind to find the truth of their true existence.

People think the events that happened in the mythological stories really happened the way they are described and hallucinate about these stories.

Swami Vivekananda: ~The masses in India cry to sixty million Gods and still die like dogs. Where are these gods?

Swami Vivekananda: ~ If religion and life depend upon books or upon the existence of any prophet whatsoever, then perish all religion and books! Religion is in us. No books or teachers can do more than help us to find it, and even without them, we can get all truth within. You have gratitude for books and teachers without bondage to them and worship your Guru as God, but do not obey him blindly; love him all you will, but think for yourself. No blind belief can save you, work out your own salvation. Have only one idea of God - that He is an eternal help.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad: ~ The Self is indeed Brahman (God), but through ignorance, people identify it with intellect, mind, senses, passions, and the elements of earth, water, air, space, and fire. This is why the ‘Self’ is said to consist of this and that and appears to be everything.

Bhagavad Gita: ~ ‘Brahmano hi pratisthaham’ ~ Brahman (God) is considered the all-pervading consciousness, which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (14.27).

When Bhagavad Gita says, God is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material then nothing has to be accepted as God other than consciousness.

Lord Krishna Says Ch ~V: ~ “Those who know the Self in truth.". The last two words (tattvataha) are usually ignored by pundits, but they make all the difference between the ordinary concept of God and the truth about God.

The dualistic worship of "God” is only for the ignorant populace. The God in truth is only Atman, the innermost Self. In reality, there is no duality, no differentiation. Only Atman exists.

The Vedas confirm God is Atman (Spirit), the Self.

Rig Veda: ~ The Atman (Soul or Spirit) is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Atman the innermost self. May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?" (10:48, 5)

Rig-Veda 1-164-46 and Y.V 32-1 clearly mention that God is “One”.

Rig Veda declares God is ‘ONE’ and God is Atman, then why believe and worship in place of real God. Atman, the Spirit is a universal God. All religious propagated blind belief-based Gods are not God in truth.

Brihad Upanishad: ~ “If you think there is another entity, whether man or God there is no truth."

Chandogya Upanishad: ~ Sarvam khalvidam brahma ~ all this (universe) is verily Brahman. By following back all of the relative appearances in the world, we eventually return to that from which it is all manifest – the non-dual reality (The Soul, the Self is not Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist”, because it is ever formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

Sage Sankara’s Supreme Brahman (God) is impersonal, Nirguna (without Gunas or attributes), Nirakara (formless), Nirvisesha (without special characteristics), immutable, eternal, and Akarta (non-agent). It is above all needs and desires. It is always the Witnessing Subject. It can never become an object as it is beyond the reach of the senses. Brahman is non-dual, one without a second. It has no other beside it. It is destitute of difference, either external or internal. Brahman cannot be described, because description implies distinction. Brahman cannot be distinguished from any other than It. In Brahman, there is not a distinction between substance and attribute. Sat-Chit-Ananda constitutes the very essence or Svarupa of Brahman, and not just Its attributes. The Nirguna Brahman of Sage Sankara is impersonal.

Sage Sankara: ~"That which permeates all, which nothing transcends and which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman (God)."

Thus, truth realization is Self-realization. Self-realization is God-realization because the Soul, the Self itself is God. God-realization itself is real worship. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

The seekers of truth have to follow the Atmic path to realize the Athma the ‘Self’ is God in truth.+

The seekers of truth have to follow the Atmic path to realize the Athma the ‘Self’ is real God. Atmic path is the Vedic path because Vedic God is Athma.

The Vedic religion or Santana Dharma emphasizes Self-realization. Self-realization is God-realization. God-realization itself is real worship.

The Vedas do not talk about idol worship; the followers of Vedic Religion or Santana Dharma never worshipped idols. Thus all the Puranic Gods which are of the form and attributes are not Vedic Gods.

Max Müller says: ~ "The religion of the Veda knows no idols; the worship of idols in India is a secondary formation, a degradation of the more primitive worship of ideal Gods."

Hinduism is not Vedic religion or Santana Dharma. Hindus do idol-worship, while Vedas bars idol worship.

The Vedas do not talk about idol worship. In fact, till about 2000 years ago followers of Vedism never worshipped idols. Idol worship was started by the followers of Buddhism and Jainism.

There is logic to idol worship. Vedas speak of one God that is the supreme ‘Self’ in i.e. Atman or Soul but Hinduism indulges in worshiping 60 million Gods. All these 60 million Gods are non-Vedic Gods based on their beliefs.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad:~ "He who worships the deities as entities entirely separate from him does not know the truth. For the Gods, he is like a pasu (beast)". (1.4.10)

The Vedas confirm God is Atman (Spirit), the ‘Self’.

Rig Veda: ~ The Atman (Soul or Spirit) is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Atman, the ‘Self’. May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?" (10:48, 5)

Rig-Veda 1-164-46 and Y.V 32-1 clearly mention that God is “One”.

Rig Veda declares God is ‘ONE’ and God is Atman, then why believe and worship in place of real God.

Brihad Upanishad: ~ “If you think there is another entity, whether man or God there is no truth."

When Upanishad itself says: ~ ‘Sarvam khalvidam Brahma’ ~ all this (universe) is verily Brahman. By following back all of the relative appearances in the world, we eventually return to that from which it is all manifest – the non-dual reality (Chandogya Upanishad).

Bhagavad Gita: ~ ‘Brahmano hi pratisthaham’ ~ Brahman (God) is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (14.27)

When Bhagavad Gita says, God is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material then nothing has to be accepted as God other than consciousness.

Bhagavad Gita:~ “All those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires, they worship many Gods. (7- Verse -20)

Lord Krishna Says Ch ~V: ~ “Those who know the Self in truth." The last two words (tattvataha) are usually ignored by pundits, but they make all the difference between the ordinary concept of God and the truth about God.

So, on the Vedic perspective, Lord Krishna is not Vedic God because Rig Veda says: May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?"

That is why Lord Krishna Says Ch ~V: ~ “Those who know the Self in truth. The last two words (tattvataha) are usually ignored by pundits, but they make all the difference between the ordinary concept of God and the truth about God.

All Hindus indulge in non-Vedic practice barred by the Vedas introduced by the different founders of the different sects of Hinduism at aa different times, whereas the Vedic religion or Santana Dharma is ancient and has no founder.

Hinduism is not Vedic religion or Santana Dharma. Hindus do idol-worship, while Vedas bars idol worship.

Yajur Veda indicates that: ~

They sink deeper in darkness than those who worship sambhuti. (Sambhuti means created things, for example, table, chair, idol, etc (Yajurveda 40:9)

Those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." (Yajur Veda 40:9.)

Then why worship and glorify the non-~Vedic Gods in place of Vedic God when Veda bars such activities and it also warns people who indulge in such activities are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.

Sage Sankara: ~"That which permeates all, which nothing transcends and which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman (God)."

One must remember that for all periods the Vedas are the final goal and authority, and if the Puranas differ in any respect from the Vedas, the Puranas are to be rejected without mercy.

If you feel Puranas says something and the Vedas say something else, reject the Puranas and believe in the Vedas. The Puranas are just a myth.

Even Sage Sankara says: ~ Supreme Brahman (God) is impersonal, Nirguna (without Gunas or attributes), Nirakara (formless), Nirvisesha (without special characteristics), immutable, eternal, and Akarta (non-agent). It is above all needs and desires. It is always the Witnessing Subject. It can never become an object as it is beyond the reach of the senses. Brahman is non-dual, one without a second. It has no other beside it. It is destitute of difference, either external or internal. Brahman cannot be described, because description implies a distinction. Brahman cannot be distinguished from any other than It. In Brahman, there is not a distinction between substance and attribute. Sat-Chit-Ananda constitutes the very essence or Svarupa of Brahman, and not just its attributes. The nirguna Brahman of Sage Sankara is impersonal.

God is a formless, timeless, and spaceless existence. Thus, according to the Vedas God neither has any image nor God resides in any particular idol or statue. God cannot be seen directly by anyone.

From the Vedic perspective, Lord Krishna has been just a Mahan yogi and not God himself. Because in the Bhagavad Gita it says: Brahman (God) is considered the all-pervading consciousness. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

God in truth is one and universal. God in truth is hidden by the universe. The universe is the product of ignorance.+

Every religion concocts a God to suit its own purposes. Such religiously concocted Gods are not God in truth

God in truth is the Atman, which is present in the form of consciousness. Consciousness is Brahman or the Vedic God

Rig Veda:~ ‘Prajnanam Brahma’ - Consciousness is the ultimate reality.

Yajurveda – chapter- 32: ~ “ God is Supreme Spirit has no ‘Pratima’ (idol) or material shape. God cannot be seen directly by anyone. God pervades all beings and all directions. Thus, Idolatry does not find any support from the Vedas.

The Vedas exclaim from time immemorial: ~

Rig Veda, 1-164-146. :~ ‘Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti’- Existence is One.

God is one and universal. God is hidden by the universe. the universe is the product of ignorance.

God is the Spirit. The Spirit is the Soul, the innermost Self. God is the Soul, the innermost Self. The Soul is the Supreme Being the One eternal homogeneous essence, indivisible consciousness, and intelligence, which is beyond form, time, and space. To which the Sages describe in a variety of ways through diverse words.

Rig Veda: ~ The Atman (Soul) is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Atman, the Self. May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?" (10:48, 5)

Bhagavad Gita: ~ ‘Brahmano hi pratisthaham’- Brahman (God) is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material (Gita 14.27)

Upanishads say in effect that: ~ if you believe that the Soul is one and God (Brahman) is another you cannot understand Truth.

Brihad Upanishad: ~ “If you think there is another entity, whether man or God there is no truth."

The man himself suggests that there must be a God. It is an auto-suggestion. The belief is not God. God of belief cannot exist without the believer. Each religion has its own idea of God.

Prayers and sacrifices belong to the belief system. Belief in conceptual God kills man’s ability to think beyond form, time, and space. Thus, religion makes one remain in the prison of physicality. When no answers come to prayers and rituals, the struggle for existence presses man, and doubt arises again.

Faith in religion weakens as man pays more attention to the facts of life and this world. Religion is not the means to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

God created the world is an absolute lie.+

Sage Sankara says: Keep the scriptures for children but throw them on the fire for wise seekers.

In Brahma Sutras Sage Sankara takes for granted, assumes that a world was created: He there mixes dogmatic theology with philosophy.

That God created the world is an absolute lie; nevertheless, you will find Sage Sankara (in his commentary on Vedanta Sutras) clearly says this! He has to adapt his teachings to his audience, reserving the highest for philosophical minds.

The text of Brahma Sutras is based on religion, dogmatism, but in the commentary, Sage Sankara geniusly introduced some philosophy. If it is objected that a number of Upanishads are equally dogmatic because they also begin by assuming Brahman, but a few Upanishads do not but prove Brahman at the end of a train of proof.

The causality and creation, but are for religious people only. Religion is only for those who are unable to understand truth beyond form, time, and space. Religion is not final. It only gives satisfaction to the populace. The Self - knowledge is for the whole of humanity to free them from experiencing the birth, life, death, and world as reality.

People of small intelligence follow religion and believe that the world was created by God. But how do they know that He did so? When a pot is created, one can see both pot and its maker, but not in the case of the world.

Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is meant only for those who have intense urge, and courage to accept the truth with humility and reject the untruth. Since people start comparing with their scriptural knowledge, it becomes impossible to assimilate and realize the Advaitic truth. Therefore, there is no need to convince anyone other than our own selves to get a firm conviction. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar